Curse

Relnor · Sep 18, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

I'm so sick of all this B.S.

Pretty soon we'll be seeing "Save the e-animals!" signs...

Its just a GAME! No animals/people is being hurt. People take things way to seriously.

Malice Black · Sep 18, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Ivory trade is mainly illegal

Killing a cow is considered a mortal sin in some parts of the world..GW contains leather..

I know that argument is a bit far fetched but it works under the same principle.

k3nn3tH123 · Sep 18, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

I agree, honestly, it's just a game. And you choose whether or not to play. It doesn't affect real life situations of ivory farming/panda extinctions in anyway. Unless, say some kid getting hyped up about the game decides to go RL ivory farming/lvling up on pandas.. in which case he will prolly get mauled by elephants/pandas anyways.

Malice Black · Sep 18, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Wrath has hit this on the head anyways...Ivorybows exsist in-game there is no reason why a ivory craft mat cant exsist.

natuxatu · Sep 18, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Yea as long as you're not killing Elephants to GET the ivory.. which your not. So in the world of Guild Wars.. you could just state that ivory comes from something else. Plus couldn't they have baby elephants or young elephants that don't have the horns yet. Or simply make them without the horns if they were so concerned.

Maybe there are Helephabits or whatever that thing is in Winne the pooh.

Venomios · Sep 18, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Heffalumps and woozles! ftw!!! WHEEEEE!!!!!!! or Oliphants from Lord of the Rings (big multi-tusk elephant-looking things)... or... killer pianos! yeah! kill the pianos to get ivory! woot! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! the possibilities are endless! O.o

CyberNigma · Sep 18, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Wrath Of Dragons

*looks at already-existing ivory bow*
so far, we seem safe on that material

lol... good point.. I think it has more to do with where ANet is trying to sell the game. Without mentioning any names, I think that 'places where Ivory is abundant' aren't high on their list... Also, since the Great Panda is only native to one national area unlike things that produce ivory, the moderator has a point when he mentioned some places allow hunting for ivory and that has to be taken into account. The question would be whether the cranes that were modified are just native to one area. They may be.

I, personally, think that there will be ivory in-game, possibly along the same lines as jade/amber. Otherwise, how could you craft armour made of ivory. Quite frankly, the desert continent is probably not one of NCSoft's target areas, either, so it probably won't stop them. I think the paragon armours are going to look great though :-) Hey, maybe they have something like Oliphants :-)

Two April Mornings · Sep 18, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

There's already every other part of the animal: fur, eyes, bones, why not have the ivory?

Ristaron · Sep 18, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

There's already every other part of the animal: fur, eyes, bones, why not have the ivory?

Elephants have fur?

arcanemacabre · Sep 18, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

Elephants have fur?

Eh, fur is just another word for hair, and Elephants are mammals, so they have hair. Sure!

I've already made what comments I'm going to make in the thread in the Dev Forums. I'm just here to say, "Panda/Crane Syndrome". Freakin awesome label! I will so use that phrase to describe PC of any kind!

I hate PC. And not the Mac's evil twin, but political correctnessnessicity.

Sorry, I'm feeling a bit goofball today

Feminist Terrorist · Sep 18, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32

Save the Heffalump!!!

Back on topic, I actually hadn't given the existence of ivory any thought at all. Ivory could be something that just drops randomly, from a broad range of monsters. That would keep some people from getting irked. Really, though, I don't care, as long as no heffalumps are harmed in the farming of this fake material.

Leddy · Sep 18, 2006, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

It's possible; but then again they didn't even allow for pet pandas as they didn't want them to die. And they changed the pet cranes so their heads are blue instead of red cause they looked too much like an endangered species. At any rate there's no real point in speculating and we may as well just wait til Nightfall goes live.

They didn't want pandas because it was a salute to the Chinese government policy of not allowing pandas to be killed, real or simulated. They want this game to be able to sell in Hong Kong (a Chinese-ruled SAR).

Ivory is a material used historically to make wares. I don't think pandas have. We have leather hides; why not ivory?

AJM · Sep 18, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Depends on what CHINA thinks about Ivory.

Who cares about little organizations and crap. They just moan.

China on the other hand, will BAN your game from their country if you cross them (Like the Panda Crane thing).

It isnt a double standard, its getting your game BANNED vs having some animal huggers send you angry letters.

There are no elephants in China, so I doubt the Chinese would give a rat's ass. After all, we're talking about a country where you can get powdered endangered rhino penises to use as an aphrodisiac (which as far as I know, does not work).

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

Yea as long as you're not killing Elephants to GET the ivory.. which your not. So in the world of Guild Wars.. you could just state that ivory comes from something else. Plus couldn't they have baby elephants or young elephants that don't have the horns yet. Or simply make them without the horns if they were so concerned.

Maybe there are Helephabits or whatever that thing is in Winne the pooh.

I suppose enemies who already have ivory armor/weapons could drop it, or something that salvages into it.

Arduin · Sep 18, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

Maybe we can slaughter elephants to farm for rare ivory

I'm using Savage Shot on Endangered Elephant!

SirJackassIII · Sep 18, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

I don't think Ivory would be a problem. I've seen it being a trade material in a few RTS games, most recently in the Caesar 4 Demo. So I doubt Ivory in game would be considered a problem by animal rights groups.

Serafita Kayin · Sep 18, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Well, considering I collect Ivory Bows whenever I see them, I think it's safe to say there will be ivory.

Also, the panda argument is trying to infer too far. It is legally protected in the People's Republic of China to the point that any events resulting in even the depiction of its death is punishable by prison time.

While the ivory trade is unfortunate (especially as synthetic ivory really sucks, too) it is not on the level of the panda debate. It's not illegal to show someone killing an elephant, as they do it on Discovery all the time. Besides, there have already been multi-tusked animals shown in PC Gamer, it seems they have no shortage of ivory in Elona.

I don't think there will be any legal issues preventing the portrayal of ivory, and the only people that will complain are the ones that complain about everything else.

Spangly_boy · Sep 18, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Hope ivory is a nono, how about a mother of pearl armor class or something to get the irredescant white look?

Clord · Sep 18, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Warcraft III got something called "Ivory Tower" item.

Grave · Sep 18, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

I think it all comes down to that they allow people to kill virtual people in games, hell even mutalate them, so why can't you kill virtual animals... but if they're going to get really pissy about it for whatever reason I guess just adding a spare nose or something to a panda or elephant would change it enough to save us all from a really bad headache. Or even better, kill two birds with one stone and make a Pandasaurus! It resembles the cuteness of pandas and has ivory tusks that you can farm!

KoalaMeatPie · Sep 18, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

They all seem to be forgetting somthing: its a game. I Don't see PETA Jumping up and down because you can go out and kill black bears, Cranes, Tigers in Factions / Prof.

Not having Ivery in Nightfall because of Animal Rights Would eb Compelatly Assinine. Why nottake out all pets from the game also?